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  1. New design: FOWA Road Trip

    Just wanted to let you know we’ve been working hard on the new FOWA Road Trip page. Make sure to come out and have a beer with us!
    Our new designer Elliot Jay Stocks really done an amazing job - beautiful design and beautiful markup.

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    1. Adam Cooke

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      Very nice :) Well Done

    2. Cooper

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      Awesome design Elliot :). Looks incredible!

      I kinda wish I was a brit right now.

    3. Gilbert

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      Very nice indeed. Great visual content, great information. Can’t ask for more than that.

      Not sure I would have clobbered IE users with that message though, just because they won’t see the fancy corner on the events list.

      I can undersand why you’d do it from a technical perspective, but would you do the same one sites aimed at non-industry people? I would worry that they’d feel as if they’d done something wrong.

      Genuinely interested to hear what others think about that.

      Looking forward to Elliots work permeating the rest of the Carson portfolio.

    4. Janusz

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      Crap.. how come I have missed the Bristol event? I read about it when it was announced and forgot to check later hoping that some more news will come.

    5. Ben

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      I think the message is okay, it’s not too intrusive and it gets the message across. It’d be better if it actually linked to the downloads for the suggested browsers though.

      I’ve spotted a small CSS bug - hover on the Climate Care image and it gets an orange underline, which jumps all the text below out by 1px.

      Great site! Elliot’s really going to get the chance to shine with these pages.

    6. Ryan Carson

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      Thanks for the feedback guys.

      I’ll let Elliot respond regarding the message to IE users.

      However, my take on it is that it’s important to start communicating to people that they’re limiting themselves by using IE.

      We used a polite message that wasn’t too in-your-face. Ben, I agree with you though, that we should have it link to the downloads for FF and Safari.

      Regarding the CSS bug, I’m sure Elliot will knock that right out.

    7. Elliot Jay Stocks

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      Hey guys, thanks for all the kind words and the bug-spotting! Yep, I’ll get on to those bugs asap… :)

      With regards to the IE thing (and perhaps this should be a post in itself), this is something I talked about at the most recent Oxford Geek Night (video | slides) and it’s a big discussion. Essentially I think that a really subtle ‘warning badge’ like we have here is an fair way of making IE users aware that they’re missing out. Sure, it’s not by much (although more so in IE6 than IE7, as you might expect) but why not offer users the choice of a better browsing experience?

      I agree about the message needing some links in there and I’ll get round to adding those at some point next week. My reason for this is that I want to write the links in client-side with Javascipt. Why not just put them in the div and just hide it off-screen for non IE user, you ask? Well, I could do that, but the problem is that the error message is then embedded directly into the markup, which is pretty bad practice - it means users might potentially see the message even if they’re not using IE; for instance if they’re viewing an unstyled page… at which point it becomes irrelevant anyway.

      Yep, I think a full post about this is needed! :)

    8. StevenRay

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      Great job! It really feels like a road trip. And all the widgets are incorporated nicely.

    9. john

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      I think the ie message is a certainly an odd thing to state. I use IE, because, like it or not the majority of users are using it and therefore it’s something which needs to be catered for. And so I use IE to test and as such it has become my default browser.

      By way of an example, I would not appreciate TV broadcasters telling me that HD is better than the standard broadcast and that I should consider using an HD tv everytime I switched my set on. It’s just a bit annoying, it may be true, but it is still annoying.

      I don’t mean to be rude, but why not just make it work for IE (the majority of users)? I know it’s extra work, but sadly, that’s what web page mark-up has become, an accomodation of all the variables out there.

      Anyway, I like the design (even in IE).

    10. Elliot Jay Stocks

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      Thanks for your thoughts, John. It’s such an interesting debate and I’m writing an article about it that’ll be published soon. To save repetition, I hope you don’t mind if I save the in-depth arguments for that article! :)

      But, to clear a couple of things up, the site does work in IE - a great deal of time and effort was spent making it work. It’s just that there are some small visual touches that were simply not possible to pull off in IE due to the browser’s quirks. Also, although we agree that a ‘warning badge’ is not always the best thing to do, we felt that - as IE users only account for a minority of our viewers - it was acceptable in this case.

      Nice HD allusion, though - definitely food for thought.

    11. Nick

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      But they do tell you to use HD. Every channel I watch that offers HD programming puts a little logo or blurb about it at the beginning of every show.

    12. Ewan

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      Hi Ryan, thanks for sorting out last nights FOWA Manchester night out, was very good fun and informative at the same time.

      Ewan

    13. Ryan Carson

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      Hey Ewan, No problem. Glad you could make it.

    14. Chris D

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      I agree with Gilbert, stop imposing your own browser beliefs on others. When I go to a restaurant, I don’t get hectored by the servers about the brand of shoe I choose to wear to navigate the restaurant. The same should apply for ‘web sites and browsers’ - it’s absolutely none of the webmaster’s business.

      What makes you think people will have such a better time on “Firefox or Safari”, anyway?!

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