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		<title>by: dertyhiyu</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-6595</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>very smart =)</description>
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		<title>by: Fredrik Wärnsberg</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-4028</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is where some kind of karma-system in combination with OpenID could really do some magik :)

In the meanwhile heavy moderation of the comments in combination with a way for the site-moderator to block trolls from commenting is the only solution. Too bad far too many people turn into fuckwits when they're under the impression of being anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where some kind of karma-system in combination with OpenID could really do some magik :)</p>
<p>In the meanwhile heavy moderation of the comments in combination with a way for the site-moderator to block trolls from commenting is the only solution. Too bad far too many people turn into fuckwits when they&#8217;re under the impression of being anonymous.
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		<title>by: Darren Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3537</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3537</guid>
					<description>I think openID could fix it a little because you can't just put random details about yourself and then post crap. however this would be a barrier to people posting if they had to login. 

I actually have a solution but I am not sharing as it is far to valuable :p

Nah only joking.

Look at what automattic have done with askismet  and spam. Now if you took this idea and created a webservice that would track user feedback on each commenter the system could then filter out the nasty people. I could go on in detail like using http://www.readware.com/ for getting the tone of comment but I won't...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think openID could fix it a little because you can&#8217;t just put random details about yourself and then post crap. however this would be a barrier to people posting if they had to login. </p>
<p>I actually have a solution but I am not sharing as it is far to valuable :p</p>
<p>Nah only joking.</p>
<p>Look at what automattic have done with askismet  and spam. Now if you took this idea and created a webservice that would track user feedback on each commenter the system could then filter out the nasty people. I could go on in detail like using <a href="http://www.readware.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.readware.com/</a> for getting the tone of comment but I won&#8217;t&#8230;
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		<title>by: Keith Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3536</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3536</guid>
					<description>I've seen this again on the web. A Liverpool FC fan site I use has suffered from growing as well. When it started it was small with a core of knowledgeable posters who made it all worthwhile. Since then its grown with daily threads about random speculation on which players are coming or going etc.

However, surely the hateful idiots who abuse people would write to people who work for magazines if they didn't have blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this again on the web. A Liverpool FC fan site I use has suffered from growing as well. When it started it was small with a core of knowledgeable posters who made it all worthwhile. Since then its grown with daily threads about random speculation on which players are coming or going etc.</p>
<p>However, surely the hateful idiots who abuse people would write to people who work for magazines if they didn&#8217;t have blogs.
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		<title>by: Thomas Aylott</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3533</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3533</guid>
					<description>I think the problem with trying to control this stuff is by starting too soon.

Small blogs (IE: Blogs that don't have this problem yet) should be solely monitored and controlled by a single person.

Large blogs almost become social networks in and of themselves. At that point you need to make it difficult to be a one time anonymous hater. The technology needs to become more complex as the community does.

Registration is generally hideously annoying, but if the site is really all that popular, the people who care _will_ register.

Registration and logging in before commenting on these large blogs also removes the anonymity to a degree, since you can't be a whole new person for each comment you make.

Then add in some slashdot-esque karma system or even a digg-like simple page-based karma and it should all work out a lot nicer.

I'm sure there are places out there doing just that, how well has it worked for them? Know of anyone off the top of your head?

Ok, I guess Digg and slashdot are terrible examples of this kind of thing actually "working" but it all depends on the class of visitors I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with trying to control this stuff is by starting too soon.</p>
<p>Small blogs (IE: Blogs that don&#8217;t have this problem yet) should be solely monitored and controlled by a single person.</p>
<p>Large blogs almost become social networks in and of themselves. At that point you need to make it difficult to be a one time anonymous hater. The technology needs to become more complex as the community does.</p>
<p>Registration is generally hideously annoying, but if the site is really all that popular, the people who care _will_ register.</p>
<p>Registration and logging in before commenting on these large blogs also removes the anonymity to a degree, since you can&#8217;t be a whole new person for each comment you make.</p>
<p>Then add in some slashdot-esque karma system or even a digg-like simple page-based karma and it should all work out a lot nicer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are places out there doing just that, how well has it worked for them? Know of anyone off the top of your head?</p>
<p>Ok, I guess Digg and slashdot are terrible examples of this kind of thing actually &#8220;working&#8221; but it all depends on the class of visitors I suppose.
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		<title>by: Jonathan Snook</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3530</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3530</guid>
					<description>Maintaining quality comments beyond a certain audience size is tough and often comes down to one key factor: The ability of the site owner to moderate.

Many people running a blog just don't have the time to clean up and control the quality of comments beyond a certain point. As a result, once a few people do it, and it's not reprimanded, then it'll continue unabated. In the case of Techcrunch, from what I've read, it almost seems supported.

The number of comments is another issue but one that's more difficult to control, especially if the comments are civil. People who may have commented likely won't beyond a certain point fearing that their comments will simply be ignored; nobody wants to be ignored. 

I predict that an active site owner who continually responds to comments left on the site is more likely to have others continue to contribute.

In both scenarios here, though, it depends on a heavily active site owner to maintain that community. The ability to use the wisdom of crowds to vote up or down comments still isn't a quality solution, in my opinion, because it can support a mob mentality which really isn't any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maintaining quality comments beyond a certain audience size is tough and often comes down to one key factor: The ability of the site owner to moderate.</p>
<p>Many people running a blog just don&#8217;t have the time to clean up and control the quality of comments beyond a certain point. As a result, once a few people do it, and it&#8217;s not reprimanded, then it&#8217;ll continue unabated. In the case of Techcrunch, from what I&#8217;ve read, it almost seems supported.</p>
<p>The number of comments is another issue but one that&#8217;s more difficult to control, especially if the comments are civil. People who may have commented likely won&#8217;t beyond a certain point fearing that their comments will simply be ignored; nobody wants to be ignored. </p>
<p>I predict that an active site owner who continually responds to comments left on the site is more likely to have others continue to contribute.</p>
<p>In both scenarios here, though, it depends on a heavily active site owner to maintain that community. The ability to use the wisdom of crowds to vote up or down comments still isn&#8217;t a quality solution, in my opinion, because it can support a mob mentality which really isn&#8217;t any better.
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		<title>by: Simon Willison</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3500</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This isn't a problem unique to large blogs - it's a problem with online communities in general. Scaling communities effectively is very difficult. It's possible to have a large community which stays interesting and constructive but it's a really hard problem. MetaFilter is a great example of a site that manages this, maintaining a high level of quality both through paid accounts (an account costs $5 for life - a powerful deterrent to trolls who get their accounts banned) and more generally through setting high expectations for behaviour as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a problem unique to large blogs - it&#8217;s a problem with online communities in general. Scaling communities effectively is very difficult. It&#8217;s possible to have a large community which stays interesting and constructive but it&#8217;s a really hard problem. MetaFilter is a great example of a site that manages this, maintaining a high level of quality both through paid accounts (an account costs $5 for life - a powerful deterrent to trolls who get their accounts banned) and more generally through setting high expectations for behaviour as a whole.
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		<title>by: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3497</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is an opinion I've also held for a while.  

Several blogs I frequent have become less interesting with more readers – or, I should say, more commenters.  To paraphrase one that I'm talking about; the signal vs noise ratio goes way down.  There are just too many haters and people that don’t add anything to the conversation.  

Another example, I think, is http://www.codinghorror.com which, although the post quality is generally good, is actually made less interesting by the comments.  Many posts now have 100+ comments, and I just don't have the time or inclination to read them all, so I generally skip them altogether.  This has the effect of 'turning me off' the blog, as something of the community feel is lost.  I’ve read that blog since the early days, and I don't get nearly so much from it now.

Also - and I don't level this at anyone in particular - I find that if a blog becomes really successful and the writer gains notoriety in their field, then ego becomes a factor and posts sometimes have a self-serving slant to them.  

Some blogs, and bloggers, are victims of their own success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an opinion I&#8217;ve also held for a while.  </p>
<p>Several blogs I frequent have become less interesting with more readers – or, I should say, more commenters.  To paraphrase one that I&#8217;m talking about; the signal vs noise ratio goes way down.  There are just too many haters and people that don’t add anything to the conversation.  </p>
<p>Another example, I think, is <a href="http://www.codinghorror.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.codinghorror.com</a> which, although the post quality is generally good, is actually made less interesting by the comments.  Many posts now have 100+ comments, and I just don&#8217;t have the time or inclination to read them all, so I generally skip them altogether.  This has the effect of &#8216;turning me off&#8217; the blog, as something of the community feel is lost.  I’ve read that blog since the early days, and I don&#8217;t get nearly so much from it now.</p>
<p>Also - and I don&#8217;t level this at anyone in particular - I find that if a blog becomes really successful and the writer gains notoriety in their field, then ego becomes a factor and posts sometimes have a self-serving slant to them.  </p>
<p>Some blogs, and bloggers, are victims of their own success.
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		<title>by: Ted Rheingold</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3494</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't think Vox fixes the problem, they only keep the brakes on from it ever becoming close to a problem. Vox slows down the original adoption and virality of a blog in the first place, which is fine if it's just family, but if it's voice piece, you've really limiting your voice.

A popular blog is a hungry beast, end of story. Your only option is to turn the comments off and hope when you can't control the conversation, or try and keep your blog from not becoming the well read blog you set out to make it be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Vox fixes the problem, they only keep the brakes on from it ever becoming close to a problem. Vox slows down the original adoption and virality of a blog in the first place, which is fine if it&#8217;s just family, but if it&#8217;s voice piece, you&#8217;ve really limiting your voice.</p>
<p>A popular blog is a hungry beast, end of story. Your only option is to turn the comments off and hope when you can&#8217;t control the conversation, or try and keep your blog from not becoming the well read blog you set out to make it be
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		<title>by: aaron dragushan</title>
		<link>http://www.carsonified.com/misc/large-blogs-are-broken#comment-3489</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've said too much already.   ;)   Nah, just kidding.   Not that I know of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said too much already.   ;)   Nah, just kidding.   Not that I know of&#8230;
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